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29 May 2011 @ 07:37 pm
Why Do You Ship Sokkla?  
 I really wanted to do a Sokkla manifesto because we don't have one. Unfortunately, we do not meet one of the requirements (which is canon/subtext hints) because Azula and Sokka don't really interact. In fact, there was only ONE time they really interacted and that was in the Day of Black Sun part II. 

Edit: Oh wait, there's also Sokka drawing Suki firebending and Sokka was the only name that Azula says out of the Gaang. (Zuko doesn't count). But that's not enough is it? 

So instead, I'm gonna make this into a discussion/question entry. Why do YOU ship Sokkla? 

I love Sokkla because they're not exactly opposites like most people believe. They're similiar but in a way that they compliment each other. Sokka and Azula are both cunning: Azula is the brains of the antagonists and Sokka's the brains of the Gaang. They're both liars. Yes, even Sokka's a liar. But unlike Azula, Sokka only lies to a certain extent. He lies to achieve his means. For example, he lied to Wan Shi Tong--a Spirit--in order to get what he and the gaang needed.

Additionally, they're both daddy's little kid (although Hakoda actually loves his son in return) but they've also got mommy troubles (moreso Azula than Sokka). Sokka loved his mother, but he doesn't remember her (I still don't get that considering he's older than Katara but whatever). Azula, I believe, loves her family in her own way (although love towards her uncle is questionable--see more of Self-Possessed/Fatty's analysis of Azula if you're curious as to how I came up with that conclusion). Azula honestly feels that Ursa didn't love her as much as Zuko, according to Mike in the Sozin's Comet book interview. (Okay that's not much of a similarity but still).

What's funny (or scary, depending on how you look at it) is that they're perfectionists...(at least Sokka is when it comes to dressing). Azula, until the finale, always looks well. Sokka likes to look well (he was worried that his belt wouldn't match his bag!). Azula's probably the type to want her significant other to be well dressed and she doesn't have to worry about that with Sokka.

Also I don't think Sokka would have to adjust all that much if he were to date Azula because he's dated a princess before, and he's with a warrior--Azula happens to be both. They're both leaders, they both take initiative and handle themselves very well on the battle field. Despite that Sokka's a "Water Tribe peasant" who can't bend, it's hard not have admiration for him--even if we were look at him through Azula's eyes.

Azula needs someone who can stand up to her, who can be on equal footing with her and that's Sokka--through wits, and from the looks

of the Boiling Rock he may even be able to challenge her on the battle field (although he was teaming up with Zuko so I don't know). There's also the saying that men who have sisters make great boyfriends/husbands because they're more understanding, and Azula does need someone who's going to be understanding and patient with her. Azula would be good for Sokka because she would be a challenge; she would keep him on his toes.

Lastly, they would make great friends if given a chance--aside from being both smart and cunning--they're both bad jokers. Together

they would take over the world without too much of a problem. I also think it's funny that Sokka has many girls crushing on him, and while Azula is beautiful--she's intimidating to the point where she frightens them. Sokka showed us in The Day of Black Sun part II, that Azula does intimidate him but not to the point that he couldn't stand up to her. Sokka's also adjusted in social situations while Azula's not. XD

I'm sort of happy now that I can't do a Sokkla ship manifesto because after writing this--I've realized how Sokka would be good for Azula, but have very weak points as to why Azula would be good for Sokka.

So why do you guys ship Sokka/Azula? And why do you think Azula would be good for Sokka and vise versa?

I hope this comm isn't dead because I'd really love some input. I hate it when people assume we ship Sokkla because it's a form of Zutara or something similar (not bashing or anything). While we do have that Fire/Ice thing going on, it's very different from Zutara. We have our own (valid) reasons, and we are our own ship--not an extension (hopefully).
savageleesavagelee on May 30th, 2011 09:24 pm (UTC)
I began shipping Sokkla when I found this community. They were both (and still are) my favorite characters, but I never considered them as a couple until it happened in a fanfic and I remember the author leading me to this site.

I suppose the chemistry is there; their banter would be legendary, Azula being cool and manipulative and trying to weaken a guy who flippantly calls her bluff. I've humorously noticed that the captor-prisoner scenario in Zutara fics is also prevalent in Sokkla--not as a reaction or run-off, mind you--and it seems that Sokka is presented as somebody who can match wits despite his perceived buffoonery and also cease from making the situation a serious or anger- or hate-filled endeavor. Sokka might have wanted to leave Zuko to die in snow, and he is shown as being less of a bleeding heart than sister sister with his blunt practicality, but these traits of his also show compatability. Where Zuko and Katara are purely emotional, very full of fire and need, Zuko and Azula are as well, but they are "cold" or more reserved. They rely on their on methods of logic. This means that something of a romance would rely less on passion and more on practicality; if we have a healing scenario where Sokka helps Azula after her breakdown, he'll not coddle her, try to sugarcoat her sins as Ty Lee or maybe even a younger Aang would do, but he would be a solid foundation.

I think the underlying factor in this relationship is Azula's philophobia. I don't want to draw Zutara parallels, but I will draw Zuko/Azula parallels. They both yearn understanding. Despite being affluent, they were both ALMOST equally neglected. Sure, they were royalty and surely had myriad sycophants galore, but Zuko had his mother's affection. Azula, not so much.

Both Sokka and Azula were not as attached to their mothers, and suffer repercussions from that. Sokka is accused by his sister of not loving their mother as much because he doesn't wangst every other episode about his mother dying; Azula suffers from the belief that she is incapable of trusting anyone close to her, and therefore all affection must be false and she relies on fear and coercion. Sokka, as he matures, will be less susceptible to her tricks, and they are both planners, strong (there isn't the chickification, hopefully, as seen with Suki where she needs to be saved), and resourceful. Even if it's not fluffy, it'd sure be a hell of a ride.
maylene_autumn: Three FireLordsmaylene_autumn on May 31st, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
Hehee, I sort of got into Sokkla the same way you did--through fanfics and just for the heck of it, until I realized just how great they would be together.

I don't mean to make myself sound like I hate/dislike Zutara. LOL. I'm not going to lie and say they don't have their similarities or in fanfics how they share the same plots, like you mentioned with the whole "captor-prisoner" scenario--which is fine--I just meant that we have our own reasons for shipping Sokkla and it's not because we're substituting them for Zutara. I guess I came on too strongly. XD

But yes, that's how I see Sokkla--more practical and less passionate (although they can be a passionate pairing). I'd say more, but I realized I would just essentially be repeating your words and agreeing with what you said.

I appreciate your reply. ^_^
savageleesavagelee on May 31st, 2011 11:07 pm (UTC)
Thanks! Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but you're Forlorn Maiden at FF.net, right? ^.^ Yeah, I've always been ambivalent about the Kataang/Zutara rivalry, never really gaining strong feelings for either, and I know what you mean about people saying Sokkla's "too similar" to Zutara. The Avatar characters are very diverse and that makes each ship very different. Sokkla can have a lot of passion; a lot can transpire when all of those pent-up emotions are released. :B
maylene_autumn: Filipina ladymaylene_autumn on May 31st, 2011 11:17 pm (UTC)
I'm in total agreement!

^_^;; Am I that obvious? LOL. Yes I am.

savagelee: kittiessavagelee on May 31st, 2011 11:28 pm (UTC)
I actually don't remember where I found that out. O__o;;
maylene_autumnmaylene_autumn on May 31st, 2011 11:53 pm (UTC)
LOL while I don't really say it much, I don't hide it either. It was probably in some forum or review. I use Forlorn Maiden on ff.net because I find most of my stories embarrassing. Then there's also the fact that I think I did post a link to my story on ff.net here. Or you're a great detective! ^_^
savagelee: kidsavagelee on June 1st, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
I actually like a good deal of your stuff, though admittedly I haven't read Avatar fanfics in awhile. I only started near the end of season three when I gained a rather large girl-crush on Azula, since I've always been one to like manipulative villains. :p
maylene_autumn: Animaniacsmaylene_autumn on June 1st, 2011 03:58 am (UTC)
Thank you. :)

I haven't read any Avatar fanfics lately either. Although currently I am following Sangi's fanfic "ab igne ignem capere." It's mainly about how things would have turned out if Azula was born first and was the unfavorite of Ozai.
savageleesavagelee on June 1st, 2011 05:10 am (UTC)
That's cool. :) You know what I've always wanted? More stuff focusing on Azula and Iroh and their relationship. It would be an interesting venture into a platonic relationship that isn't explored much since Iroh barely acknowledges her, but he knows what's it's like to go from greatness to having to rebuild yourself into a new person. Idk.
maylene_autumnmaylene_autumn on June 1st, 2011 06:41 pm (UTC)
Yes, Iroh and Azula family fanfics are very rare. Although I think it's because the show offered us very little on their relationship. I wish it was otherwise. In the series, we mostly see them being antagonistic toward each other. Iroh even told Zuko that he agrees that Azula needs to be taken down because she was crazy--so it's really hard to work on that I suppose.

However did you ever read Selfpossessed's Metamorphosis of the Queen of Insects It's kinda OOC when it comes to Ursa, but otherwise, it's great. Too bad it's incomplete. However you do see Azula and Iroh's relationship and how it slowly kinda went sour.

There's also a fanfic on ff.net called "Uncle," but who it's by escapes me.